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Thursday September 16, 2004: Indian deities: After the Fact

These last two entries brings up three issues:

1). Why are my experiences so different from the experiences I read about elsewhere?  Every other account mentions people who were either living a normal, mundane life, or people who had been desperately meditating and praying to see God, and then suddenly God appeared in their life.  And they are all sure it was God because it looked just like the images they'd grown up with, the same image they'd been so devotedly worshiping. God showed up, told them how humans should live their lives, or how the universe really works, and the advice fit right in with what you'd expect from God -- nice and neat.

           That's not my story. I can't figure out why my experiences are so different, and always have to consider the possibility that I'm the one out in left field, suffering from a slow-growing brain tumor or something.  I do know that I'd been working in inner realities with spiritual teachers for some time prior to my encounter with deities, and that I found a marked difference between those spiritual teachers and the deities.

            The teachers could reach me whether I was in an awakened state, in the dream state, or in meditation. They could break in on my everyday reality. These were highly evolved beings; during meditation, they were quite capable of carrying me into some incredibly high dimensions.  They each had an intense presence, powerfully radiating peace and love and truth, and they were always willing to instruct and give advice. 

          How very different it was working with gods and goddesses.  For one thing, I had to reach a fairly high level of awareness before deities could make contact, even when they were most open to working with me. Maybe in ancient times gods had walked the earth, but it seemed the deities I encountered could no longer reach below a certain level of awareness. They never appeared in an awakened state or the dream state or in light meditation.

             They never gave advice to me (a detail that runs counter to everyone else's stories).  Instead, they gave me experiences almost guarenteed to pull the rug out from under my feet; after which they left me to figure out the lessons on my own.

             And there was this other problem I noticed whenever I was around deities.  No matter how glad I might be to see them, visits never lasted long.  I told someone once that standing before a god or goddess was like climbing out of a dark, cold, and wet cave to stand and bask in the warmth of the mid-day sun.  It felt absolutely incredible for those few minutes when the blazing sun soaked deep into the skin, removing the chill. Once the chill was gone, being in the sun became increasingly uncomfortable.  It never took long before I'd find myself looking for excuses to get back to everyday life. 

2). Why do these experiences seem so incredibly true? I never question experiences when standing before a deity or when dwelling within a higher state of consciousness.  This is one of the hallmarks of higher dimensions.  Everything (even the mildly high levels) seems totally true, unquestionably real.  You don't even consider the option of questioning what's happening, or wondering what would happen if, or how can you explain this to someone else. All that matters is that moment of truth.  It is a state of consciousness that has no counterpart in our world.

              For someone like me who can so easily question everyday reality, it seems strange that I never can raise the slightest doubt when standing before a god or goddess. My questions might arise days and weeks later, but never in the presence of a deity.  That's become an issue with me.  There is something different about the awareness that removes all possibility of doubt.  I think I need to tease out that difference in awareness.

3). Are these experiences occurring inside or outside the human brain?  Because I have grown up immersed in multiple realities, I know -- far better than most people -- that humans don't utilize their full potential.  I know there are parts of the human brain capable of accessing areas of awareness that would seem miraculous by everyday standards.

           For the longest time, I kept questioning whether experiences that seemed to take place outside time and space, the experiences in which one seemed to touch God, might in fact be accessing some uncharted section of the human brain.  Could it be that pre-historic man or woman somehow accessed these parts of the human brain,  and the experience seemed so different from everyday reality that they could only believe it had been a confrontation with a higher power or being?  Did accessing this area of the brain release a massive outpouring of endorphins that flooded the system, adding to the illusion of awesome power and spiritual bliss?  Perhaps a long cultural history of tales about gods predetermined the later interpretation of any similar experience. I wanted to rethink exactly what was at the other end of this spiritual perception. I wanted to come up with an experience that could not take place within the human brain. I felt that was the best way to prove God was not a creation of the human mind.

 

 

 

Posted on Thursday, September 16, 2004 at 04:58AM by Registered CommenterThe Skeptical Mystic | Comments4 Comments

Reader Comments (4)

In this contribution you appear to be seeking to understand the mind/matter link. That is too ambitious a goal. Philosophers and scientists throughout the ages have singularly failed to reach an understanding. Indeed there is one school of thought that believes humans do not have the capability to understand it, ever.

If you have not visited Chalmers' home page: -
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~chalmers/online.html
It is worth a quick visit just to get a summary of the extent of the problem.

As yet, we know of no bridge between scientific rationality and spiritual experience or conscious experience in general.
September 16, 2004 | Unregistered Commentermike brown
But, Mike....
They've never searched for the answer from the inside-out. They've always used the mind to try to prove what exists outside the mind. It can't be done that way.
September 16, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterThe Skeptical Mystic
Yes, sure!

When you ask such questions as: -

<<3). Are these experiences occurring inside or outside the human brain>>

It's part of the problem of the mind/matter link. I was saying was that we don't know how it works, and we have little prospect of knowing. This complexity is so surprising, in view of the simplicity of thinking about moving your hand and then physically moving it.

This in no way denies the realities of personal experience.
September 18, 2004 | Unregistered CommenterMike Brown
"Philosophers and scientists throughout the ages have singularly failed to reach an understanding. Indeed there is one school of thought that believes humans do not have the capability to understand it, ever."

Just because they haven't up to now...does that mean we should stop trying?

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